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	<title>Comments on: Zadokites, Aaronides, and Levites?</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen L. Cook</title>
		<link>http://bluecord.org/biblioblog/2007/01/zadokites-aaronides-and-levites/#comment-18253</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen L. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 15:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Philip! Please leave a post if you have a new article or book on Ezra, as we would love to have a look at it. Your post is a bit too cryptic for me to fully reply to it at this point. In general, I think you and I have somewhat different understandings of a proper sociology of texts. Surely we both agree that we can never simply assume that any given text is history! Where I think you may disagree with me is that I try to maintain an epistemological openness to the biblical testimony and particularly to the historical evidence that diachronic tools such as form-criticism are able to extract from oblique readings of the text. ---Stephen Cook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Philip! Please leave a post if you have a new article or book on Ezra, as we would love to have a look at it. Your post is a bit too cryptic for me to fully reply to it at this point. In general, I think you and I have somewhat different understandings of a proper sociology of texts. Surely we both agree that we can never simply assume that any given text is history! Where I think you may disagree with me is that I try to maintain an epistemological openness to the biblical testimony and particularly to the historical evidence that diachronic tools such as form-criticism are able to extract from oblique readings of the text. &#8212;Stephen Cook</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Davies</title>
		<link>http://bluecord.org/biblioblog/2007/01/zadokites-aaronides-and-levites/#comment-18236</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 07:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any discussion of Ezra's social setting is premature until the socil setting of the book itself) involving the relationship with Nehemiah) has been established. A consideration of other relevant evidence (Ben Sira, 2 Macc, Josephus) leaves good reason to doubt that Ezra can simply be treated as a historical figure of the fifth century. If we continue like this, social scientific study will become in danger of the same error as biblical archaeology, namely assuming the texts are history and filling in the details. Sociology of texts is a rather more complicated matter than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any discussion of Ezra&#8217;s social setting is premature until the socil setting of the book itself) involving the relationship with Nehemiah) has been established. A consideration of other relevant evidence (Ben Sira, 2 Macc, Josephus) leaves good reason to doubt that Ezra can simply be treated as a historical figure of the fifth century. If we continue like this, social scientific study will become in danger of the same error as biblical archaeology, namely assuming the texts are history and filling in the details. Sociology of texts is a rather more complicated matter than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Cord &#187; An Ithamarite Priesthood?</title>
		<link>http://bluecord.org/biblioblog/2007/01/zadokites-aaronides-and-levites/#comment-9768</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Cord &#187; An Ithamarite Priesthood?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cook kindly responded to my questions, both here and on his blog. I wanted to take up some of the points that he made and respond to them. Please [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Cook kindly responded to my questions, both here and on his blog. I wanted to take up some of the points that he made and respond to them. Please [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen L. Cook</title>
		<link>http://bluecord.org/biblioblog/2007/01/zadokites-aaronides-and-levites/#comment-9741</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen L. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin, 
I'm sorry it's taken me awhile to respond. We've been launching the Spring semester here at the Seminary, and I've been running from one thing to another. Your questions are very fruitful ones, well worth answering. Joseph Blenkinsopp was on a panel with me at the most recent SBL (along with Alice Hunt), and had a paper on "The Mystery of the Missing Sons of Aaron." All the papers should be coming out in a volume with T &#38; T Clark soon, and they should be interesting to read in full. As for me, I've always had a hard time agreeing with the idea of Blenkinsopp and others that the Aaronides trace back to the priests at Bethel, although I admit that the polemic against the northern monarchic-cult at Bethel in Exodus 32 does make "Aaron" look pretty bad! Lev 10:1-3, which you mention in your post, is a better text for unearthing the Aaronides, since it is written by them (by the PT circle). It carves out a place for the descendents of Ithamar (the Aaronides) as well as those of Eleazar (the Zadokites), since neither of these sons are killed along with Nadab and Abihu in the passage (see also Num 3:4). Joshua 21 is another passage that carves out a place for the Aaronides. It speaks of a division of "Kohathite" cities, and Kohath is way, way back in the priestly genealogy, alowing this circle to include large groups of priests beyond the Zadokites. Kevin, you are right that Ithamar's line is not traced well anywhere in the OT. I do not know why this is true, but I believe that this "gap" allowed the Chronicler to give the Levites an Aaronid geneology (cf. Cross, CMHE, 1973, p. 208 etc.). That is, the "gap" allowed the Ithamarite line to function as a rubric for incorporating certain Levites as sacrificing priests when this became necessary. Dean McBride and Robert R. Wilson have suggested 2 Chron 29:34 as one spot where some Levites seem to be rising up to the level of having Aaronide rights and responsibilities. I want to stress, though, that such Levites were probably incorporated into an already existing body of Ithamarites. This larger body was responsible for writing literature such as the PT source and 2 Isaiah. It is the group that supported Ezra in his reforms, when the Zadokite leadership of Yehud was proving resistant. This corpus of non-Zadokite, non-Levite priestly literature within the Hebrew Bible would be the primary evidence that I would point to as requiring the hypothesis of an actual Aaronid priesthood over-against the pure Zadokites.  ----Stephen C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,<br />
I&#8217;m sorry it&#8217;s taken me awhile to respond. We&#8217;ve been launching the Spring semester here at the Seminary, and I&#8217;ve been running from one thing to another. Your questions are very fruitful ones, well worth answering. Joseph Blenkinsopp was on a panel with me at the most recent <acronym title="Society of Biblical Literature">SBL</acronym> (along with Alice Hunt), and had a paper on &#8220;The Mystery of the Missing Sons of Aaron.&#8221; All the papers should be coming out in a volume with T &amp; T Clark soon, and they should be interesting to read in full. As for me, I&#8217;ve always had a hard time agreeing with the idea of Blenkinsopp and others that the Aaronides trace back to the priests at Bethel, although I admit that the polemic against the northern monarchic-cult at Bethel in <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Exodus+32&amp;vnum=yes&amp;version=nrsv" title="New Revised Standard Version">Exodus 32</a> does make &#8220;Aaron&#8221; look pretty bad! <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Lev+10%3A1-3&amp;vnum=yes&amp;version=nrsv" title="New Revised Standard Version">Lev 10:1-3</a>, which you mention in your post, is a better text for unearthing the Aaronides, since it is written by them (by the <acronym title="Priestly Torah">PT</acronym> circle). It carves out a place for the descendents of Ithamar (the Aaronides) as well as those of Eleazar (the Zadokites), since neither of these sons are killed along with Nadab and Abihu in the passage (see also <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Num+3%3A4&amp;vnum=yes&amp;version=nrsv" title="New Revised Standard Version">Num 3:4</a>). <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Joshua+21&amp;vnum=yes&amp;version=nrsv" title="New Revised Standard Version">Joshua 21</a> is another passage that carves out a place for the Aaronides. It speaks of a division of &#8220;Kohathite&#8221; cities, and Kohath is way, way back in the priestly genealogy, alowing this circle to include large groups of priests beyond the Zadokites. Kevin, you are right that Ithamar&#8217;s line is not traced well anywhere in the <acronym title="Old Testament / Hebrew Bible">OT</acronym>. I do not know why this is true, but I believe that this &#8220;gap&#8221; allowed the Chronicler to give the Levites an Aaronid geneology (cf. Cross, CMHE, 1973, p. 208 etc.). That is, the &#8220;gap&#8221; allowed the Ithamarite line to function as a rubric for incorporating certain Levites as sacrificing priests when this became necessary. Dean McBride and Robert R. Wilson have suggested <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=2+Chron+29%3A34&amp;vnum=yes&amp;version=nrsv" title="New Revised Standard Version">2 Chron 29:34</a> as one spot where some Levites seem to be rising up to the level of having Aaronide rights and responsibilities. I want to stress, though, that such Levites were probably incorporated into an already existing body of Ithamarites. This larger body was responsible for writing literature such as the <acronym title="Priestly Torah">PT</acronym> source and 2 Isaiah. It is the group that supported Ezra in his reforms, when the Zadokite leadership of Yehud was proving resistant. This corpus of non-Zadokite, non-Levite priestly literature within the Hebrew Bible would be the primary evidence that I would point to as requiring the hypothesis of an actual Aaronid priesthood over-against the pure Zadokites.  &#8212;-Stephen C.</p>
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